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在线有机数据库 (Online Organic Database)

     Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 16:52:32 -0800
From: Dana Roth
Subject: Online Organic Database

Did anyone else get the survey from Wiley that is intended 'to define the needs of the academic community' in regards a proposed Online Organic Database? This reaction database will include data from:

Larock's Comprehensive Organic Transformations, 2nd ed.
Greene's Protective Groups in Organic Synthesis, 3d ed.
Paquette's Encyclopedia of Reagents for Organic Synthesis
Fieser & Fieser's Reagents for Organic Synthesis (recent 3 volumes)
Organic Reactions (recent 3 volumes)
Organic Syntheses (recent 3 volumes)

at a projected cost of $1500 per year.

I'm sure it would be useful, but I really resent paying twice for any
product. Anyone owning the volumes listed above has already paid for the
data, so why are they projecting so much ($1500) for electronic access?

Taking the journal subscription model as a guide, there should be a one time
surcharge for the non-serial publications and a small recurring fee for each
year's access and additional data. I would be more inclined to support this
if the cost was on the order of $300 per year, but at $1500, it seems like a
convenience we might have to pass on.

Besides, isn't some of this stuff already on something analogous from

Dana L. Roth
Caltech 1-32
1200 E. California Blvd.
Pasadena, CA 91125

     Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 17:47:58 -0800
From: Chuck Huber
Subject: Re: Online Organic Database

I received the survey too. Haven't filled it out yet. Perhaps Wiley is
going for the higher price because Fieser, Org. React. and Org. Syn. are
updated each year -- but in that case, subscribers to the print versions
should get a discount. Especially so, since it sounds as though only 3
volumes at a time will be loaded, so you can't drop your print
subscription if they're not archiving those series online.

Chuck Huber
Davidson Library
University of California Santa Barbara


Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 23:22:47 -0600
From: Robert Buntrock
Organization: Buntrock Associates, Inc.
Subject: Re: Online Organic Database

Looks as if this Wiley product, at least for the reactions portion, is
intended to compete with MDL's REACCS (and other reactions services, of
course). However, REACCS contains, if you subscribe to that database
portion, all of Org. Syn.

I question the worth of only the last 3 volumes of works such as Fieser
and Fieser Reagents, Org. Reactions, and Org. Syn. The former
especially builds on previous volumes and is not comprehensive unless
presented complete. Each volume of Org. Reactions has a few to several
comprehensive reviews of given reactions. Murphy's Law says the
reaction that you want is covered in a previous volume. Same for Org.
Syn., and that has >50 volumes not covered.

In addition, does the "recent 3 volumes" float forward with each passing
year? If so, do you get to keep the earliest year upon renewal?

-- Bob Buntrock
Buntrock Associates, Inc.


Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 09:48:08 -0600
From: David Flaxbart
Subject: Re: Online Organic Database

My response to this survey was that I would not entertain paying anywhere
near this price, especially just for the "recent" volumes of OS and Fieser.
Full back volume coverage would be essential in this kind of database, so
until they convert all volumes of OS Collective and Fieser, and come up
with a more sensible access price, I'm not interested. This is not to
demean the print volumes on their list, which are reasonably priced and
among the most heavily used items in the library.

But this is another example of Wiley's tendency to repackage and resell
everything they own, at greatly inflated price. Just look what they've
done with Ullmanns, now available six ways to Sunday.

And while we're talking about Wiley, has anyone else noticed a sharp
increase in their book prices in the last year or two? Seems like a
typical monograph that might have gone for $89.95 two years ago now costs
$200 or more, but it's impossible to predict. Is their Book division
trying to catch up to their journals?


Summary by 杨宏伟 on 2002-08-13

Last updated by 杨宏伟 on 2002-08-13

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